ORAL HISTORY: an INTERVIEW with SISTER MARY BOISELL (Director of Finance), SISTER CLAIRE BOUCHARD and SISTER VIRGINIA CAIN of the Sisters of Mercy, Camp Marycrest.

marycrest1.jpg (191395 bytes)Mary Sullivan: Why did the Sisters of Mercy decide to start a camp?

Sr. Mary: Bishop Joyce, the Bishop of Burlington at that time, was in dialogue with the mother superior of the Sisters of Mercy. There was a concern that there was Camp Holy Cross for the boys, and there was no camp for the girls. There was a real desire to have one. So the Sisters of Mercy were encouraged to purchase and staff and operate a camp for girls.

Mary Sullivan: When did the Sisters of Mercy buy the camp?

Sr. Mary: We bought the property from Malcolm Briggs in 1956. I think the original purchase must have included about nine acres of land, much of it lakeshore. Then, in 1960, the second purchase was made by the Sisters of Mercy. That was the Mark Horican farm. I think we picked up about 42 acres at that time, much of what became the archery field and all the surrounding areas. For the first time we owned land on both sides of the street. The third purchase was from the Malcolm Briggs estate in 1964, and we bought nine lakeshore lots then. This brought in about another five acres. So the total was about 57 acres.

Mary Sullivan: Did the camp start right away?

Sr. Mary: Yes, it opened in 1957.

Mary Sullivan: Were any of you there at the beginning?

Sr. Virginia: Yes, I was on the first staff of the camp.

Mary Sullivan: Was it full the first year?

Sr. Claire: It was small at the beginning, but as the years went on the numbers grew.

Mary Sullivan: Who was the first camp director?

Sr. Claire: Sr. Joan Caron was the first camp director. She was born in Grand Isle. Her father had been a doctor up there, and he knew about the Island Villa. She just celebrated her 90th birthday.

Mary Sullivan: Did you feel that you were offering as much as what the boys had at Camp Holy Cross?

marycrest2.jpg (109406 bytes)Sr. Claire: I think we were offering more, but we weren't really comparing. We wanted to make it a really good camp, the best we could for the girls. Many of the girls came back summer after summer.

Mary Sullivan: How long would they stay?

Sr. Claire: Many of them were two week campers. But some, if they came from long distances, stayed for a longer period of time. Some were four weeks, some six, some eight.

Mary Sullivan: Where did they come from?

Sr. Claire: The campers came from all over. For a period of time we had children coming from 34 different states and 23 foreign countries. In the beginning, the campers found out about us mostly through word of mouth. We belonged to the American Camping Association, and our camp was advertised in their magazine so word spread a little further. It was a beautiful cultural exchange between the American campers and the ones from other countries. Even to this day, many of the campers write back and forth.

Mary Sullivan: How did you get your training to run a camp?

Sr. Virginia: We taught tennis, swimming, archery, hiking, dance. And that we got from our teaching during the year.

Mary Sullivan: Were there other sports and activities that were provided for the girls?

Sr. Virginia: There were all kinds of things. We had softball, archery, tennis. For awhile we had golf. We also had swimming, hiking, dancing, drama.marycrest3.jpg (105953 bytes)

Mary Sullivan: Did you finish the year in June and then rush right up there?

Sr. Virginia: We'd make a retreat first, and then we'd go right up. At the end of the summer, we'd finish camp, and come right back to school. Some years you were lucky if you had a week between each. Some of the sisters worked in the kitchen, and that was difficult, preparing three meals a day, and a snack in the afternoon and at night.

Mary Sullivan: Do you look back on these years fondly, were they fun years?

Sr. Claire: Yes. I especially think fondly of them this time of the year. It was this time of year that we'd be getting ready to head up to the camp.

Sr. Virginia: I think you either really liked camp or you didn't. I went to camp when I was a girl, so I always wanted to go back to camp.

Mary Sullivan: What were the ages of the girls?

Sr. Claire: The girls' ages were six to 16. Once in awhile we had 5 year olds. And they were separated by age.

marycrest4.jpg (121569 bytes)Sr. Virginia: The thing that was special about Camp Marycrest was that we were all in one house. That's unusual for a camp. I think it had more pros than it did cons. The noise level could get pretty high on a rainy day. But we had the porch, which was a wonderful place when it was raining. What it did was make for more of a family atmosphere. The older kids looked after the little ones. We all ate in one dining room together. We slept in the same building. I think it was one of the big attributes of the camp.

Sr. Mary: The building that was originally a boat house became the chapel. That's the brown building just down toward the water from the main building.

Sr. Virginia: We had dancing and evening programs down there, because you could close off the chapel part from the rest of the building. When we first started, there was a green farmhouse and a huge red barn, and across from that was the big hay barn.

Sr. Mary: The basement had a great big cistern. I think it was built in the early 1800s. I've read that the fire department burned each one of these as they came into disrepair.

marycrest7.jpg (157297 bytes)Sr. Virginia: There was a boat that they used when the camp was the Island Villa. It was used to take the guests out on day trips on the Lake. When we took over the camp, the boat was left there. It had been pulled up onto railroad tracks. We decided that rather than using it as a boat, we would turn it into a place for the counselors-in-training. They didn't have any place to go when they weren't working. It gave them a little place of their own. Over the years, it just kind of rotted, but we managed to save the important things, like the portholes.

Mary Sullivan: Were most of the girls Catholic?

Sr. Mary: Most of them were, but not all of them.

Mary Sullivan: How did things change over the years?

Sr. Virginia: I think at first the camp was set up like an extension of a convent school. The girls had uniforms. We had the rosary every night, and things like that. Eventually, things began to lighten up and become more of a real camp atmosphere.

Sr. Claire: When the camp first started, they had to get up for Mass every morning. I wasn't there at that point so I don't know when it was dropped.

Sr. Virginia: After awhile, you realize this isn't what kids want. It became more well rounded.

Sr. Claire: We always had morning prayer with the girls before they went into breakfast, and at night time. The camp counselors would take their kids and have a special night reflection before they went upstairs. They discussed any misunderstandings they'd had during the day. It was very impressive to watch and listen to them. It meant a lot to them.

marycrest5.jpg (146672 bytes)Sr. Mary: I think one of the things that Marycrest tried really hard to do was to have a quality educational aspect to the program. It wasn't all just games, though some of the games could help with the educational aspect. Interwoven in all the programs was the conveying of the values, which is an extension of our mission in ministry. The first few summers we used to have flag raising up on the widow's walk, where the flag was. The girls would go up to the widow's walk and raise the flag, while one girl played the bugle.

Sr. Virginia: And there was Sr. Gloria. She used to play the trumpet. For taps at night, she'd go out on the lake. They'd play taps from land, and she'd echo it out on the lake.

Mary Sullivan: Was there one part of the day that the girls really looked forward to?

Sr. Claire: The highlight of their day was the evening program, because they didn't know from one day to the next what they were going to do. They really had to use their imagination. The children who were there all summer never had a repeat of the evening program.

Mary Sullivan: Tell me about a few of these programs.

Sr. Claire: One night they might do nursery rhymes. Each room with their counselor would choose a particular nursery rhyme. They'd go off by themselves to prepare a skit, and then they'd put it on for everybody.

 

Another was dress up your counselors. One was asking the girls to think what your counselor would look like in 10 years.

Sr. Virginia: Sometime we'd have a real campfire theme.

Sr. Claire: On the Friday night just before the camp closed for the season, we'd have the wish boat. After the campfire, each camper got a little piece of wood with a nail and a candle, and we'd walk down to the lake by the chapel, and the counselor would light the candles, and the group would make a wish and let them float out into the water.

Some of the kids came during that two-week period, because that was what they wanted to do at the end. Everyone who lived near the camp knew what was happening, and they'd get into their boats to watch. Some of the candles would burn most of the night. And, of course, we'd have to go pick up our debris the next morning.

Sr. Mary: If the Lord was good all the candles would come back or at least stay close to shore.

Sr. Virginia: Another thing we did every day was flag raising in the morning and flag lowering at night

marycrest8.jpg (209881 bytes)The whole camp was divided into two teams, a blue team and a white team. Every two- week session there would be some competitions. Whatever color you got the first year, you'd be on the same team every summer you came back. Once you were a blue team member, you'd always be a blue team member. That built a lot of spirit.

Sr. Claire: The Sunday between each two-week session we'd have competitions between the two teams. All the ages were mixed in. They were divided up into about eight or 10 groups depending on the number of kids at that time. There would be four big events, and the camp counselors had to decide what the themes of the events were going to be. They really had to work on that. On that particular Sunday morning, the counselors would have to get everything ready. They'd start off with a parade They would make banners, and they would have a dance. They had to make up a skit for the evening part. We'd all have a picnic outside that night.

marycrest6.jpg (196884 bytes)Sr. Virginia: That was really special because the younger kids really enjoyed being mixed in with the older kids, and they all really showed a lot of care for each other

Mary Sullivan: Did you think of camp as an escape for the hustle and bustle of the rest of the year?

Sr. Claire: It was different. It wasn't the same feeling that you had when you had a classroom. You prepared for school, and of course you had to prepare for camp, but it was in a completely different manner.

Sr. Virginia: We had free time, and it is so beautiful up there. You could sit down and enjoy it, or take a walk by the water, or go for a swim.

Mary Sullivan: What brought about the closure of the camp?

Sr. Mary: We closed the camp in 1993. The Sisters of Mercy gathered together people from all over the state. Some were from preservation groups, some were from different ministry groups, some from state groups, some Realtors. We had a big meeting at the camp in 1993 to discuss what would be the best use for this facility and this land. One of the things the Sisters didn't want to see happen was to have it broken up and developed. We wanted see some worthwhile work continue there, if this was at all possible. What caused the closure of the camp was all the regulations that were coming down. This was an old wooden building, and we were constantly facing fairly significant renovations because of updates of the fire code. We kept on facing new regulations all the time. We'd put a new fire alarm in, and in a few years we'd have to put in another one, and we had to upgrade the water system. The capital improvements became overwhelming. So even as we thought about continuing to use this in some ministry aspect — be it a retreat house or something along those lines — we still had those same kinds of problems. It would have been nearly impossible for us to meet say the code for Americans with Disabilities. The facility was such that residents were up sleeping up on the third floor. So that is really what brought closure to the camp and the Sisters of Mercy ministering in that spot. We continued to work with a group of people in trying to find the best way to preserve the land and the best way to use the facility. In the course of that search, we entered into dialogue with Bob and Cindy Hoehl. They had a lot of different ideas of what they wanted to do with it. We signed over the deed to them in October of ‘96.

Mary Sullivan: Did they say beforehand what they planned to do with it?

Sr. Mary: I think they dreamed a lot about different things. At one point I think they considered bringing inner-city kids up. We knew they were not going to develop it, that was a given, that was the overriding thing. Bob was looking into semi-retirement. They dreamed about different possibilities. From the beginning we knew there was hope of the property being given to the Preservation Trust of Vermont. The Sisters of Mercy introduced the Hoehls to Paul Bruhn, and now they are dear friends. After the Hoehls purchased it, they made a gift of the property to the Preservation Trust, and I believe deeded it over in December of 1997.

Mary Sullivan: Regarding the bureaucracy, and all these rules and regulations that forced you to close the camp, what were your feelings — sadness or anger or what?

Sr. Virginia: We were very sad, it really was hard. But we knew it was time. We had kids whose mothers had been counselors there. They didn't understand. Some wondered, could they give $10,000, but that couldn't keep it going. But it really was a wonderful camp. We had very high ratings from the American Camping Association with all our inspections.

Sr. Mary: These people would come with their rating cards. We'd usually get about 99.8 percent. You'd have to put the place under a microscope to find out what we lost points on.

Sr. Claire: One point off was because we didn't kick our tires to see if they were in place properly before we got into our van. I thought, who in the world would do that.

Sr. Virginia: One time there was a hole on the screen on the back porch near the kitchen. And one time the tray under the commercial toaster hadn't been emptied, so there were still some crumbs on it.

Sr. Mary: We also rated quite high with the state inspections. We always had high marks. The state inspector was Frank Way, and he was very strict.

Mary Sullivan: Was the camp open to girls of all financial backgrounds?

Sr. Mary: Yes. Every summer for girls whose families couldn't afford the cost of the camp, we offered work scholarships. We gave out about 32 to 34 of these scholarships each year. Even today, when I meet some of these girls, they tell me it was an experience that they'll never forget.

Sr. Virginia: All these girls had to do were things like help load the dish washer. There would be three of them doing that job, two of them on pots and pans. They worked together as a group, so they had a little camaraderie themselves. They were there for all the activities. They never missed anything. They actually felt like they were getting a little recognition. We'd announce that it was time for the Work Scholarship girls to come into the kitchen. They'd get up like they were really important. It wasn't hard work, but it was something that had to get done. Otherwise we would have had to hire people to do that. It was a big help to us. A lot of nurses that we had would come up usually for two weeks at a time, and their kids would come along with them.

Sr. Claire: That's how my niece happened to come to Camp Marycrest. Her mother was a nurse. To this day she won't go to another camp. She said they just don't have the spirit of Camp Marycrest. I think that tells you a lot.

Mary Sullivan: You've talked about how happy most of the campers were. Was there homesickness at all?

Sr. Virginia: Yes. We had cases of homesickness. It usually came out around mealtime or bedtime. Once you could get them into the activities, they usually were fine. There were a few who found it hard. Often, it would depend on how the mother would react. Sometimes, a mother would call and want to talk to the child, and this usually wasn't the best thing in the beginning. Or she'd write the child a letter and say how much she missed her. Camp really teaches you to be on your own, and to be separate from your family, and how to make friends away from the protection of your family.

Sr. Claire: Often the ones who were homesick in the beginning were crying at the end because they didn't want to leave. We always had tears when the kids were going home. They had made such good friends, and they didn't want to leave.

Sr. Mary: There have been a lot of changes in our society, and as families began to break up more, and as more and more mothers began to work full-time, the camp took on a bigger role. It really helped the children to instill values in their lives, and to fill the need for development in education. The families could not always provide these things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sr. Claire: We had some children who were in boarding school all year, and from there they directly came into camp because parents were working or the families had broken up.

Sr. Virginia: There were some kids who became fixtures at the camp. They'd help out around the place. On changeover weekend — when some of the campers were finishing and new ones were coming — there was always kind of an empty feeling, so these kids would pitch in and help out, and they felt important about helping out.

Sr. Mary: It was home away from home for many of them. They had a sense of belonging.

Mary Sullivan: Do you think many of the campers were sad that the place closed?

Sr. Claire: Shortly after we decided to close the camp, I received a card in the mail. I opened it up. It was from a camper from New York whom I still hear from at Christmas. It contained $1.13. This was the money that she and her friends collected toward opening Marycrest again.

Mary Sullivan: Is there any camp around here that might be able to take its place?

Sr. Virginia: There was a different spirit at Camp Marycrest, helping each other out and the unity everyone felt. We focused on this, which is part of the mission of the Sisters of Mercy. We taught the kids that we're not all alike, that kids are different. We had some children from the Baird Center, and we had some children from a similar house up in St. Albans. There were children who didn't have families. If a problem came up we would talk to the children about it, so they could learn from it.

Sr. Mary: We had children who were sponsored by some of the parishes. This was another way to help some needy children to have this opportunity.

Sr. Claire: I think it was a learning experience also for the counselors, especially those that were going into education. They had to learn that every child was not the same.

Mary Sullivan: Where were most of the camp counselors from?

Sr. Claire: Most of them were from out of state, mostly college students. They had to be at least 18. The counselors-in-training were mostly high school students.

Mary Sullivan: What are your feelings about the restoration that's going on now?

Sr. Virginia: It looks beautiful, and the shingles on the third floor look quite fancy.

Sr. Mary: One of our sisters here, Sr. Eileen Good, is a beautiful artist in oil paints, and she did a beautiful picture of Marycrest and the lake, and that always hung other the mantel.

Mary Sullivan: How did the name come about?

Sr. Mary: The sisters were asked to suggest names, and one of them came up with Marycrest. The name had been chosen before we opened it. A few people in leadership positions got together to decide what would be the best name. I am sure they wanted to honor the Blessed Mother.

Sr. Claire: Let's not forget about the off-season programs that we started in 1980. We had women's retreats, and family camping, conferences, church groups. That would be from early May until camp opened, and then from the time camp closed until the middle of October. We had the Elder Hostels there.

Sr. Mary: So we had the camping season and then the extended camping season. I understand that this might happen when the place opens up again, and some of the same groups will be served. We had a lot of nonprofit groups in, and it cost them about $2 a night to stay. I don't think it will still be $2 a night. The women's retreat groups would come on Friday and leave on Sunday. They would have the retreat and all their meals and room, and I think it was $45 for the whole weekend. So our rates were always very, very reasonable. We always tried to keep them as low as we could, so we could make it as accessible to as many people as we could, because we were always mission driven. We understand in today's market that it's going to be a whole different world. Some of the sisters were interested in finding out if there was going to be a possibility of renting the facility for a few weeks a year so we could run the retreats ourselves. We had big, big groups. Sister Helen Good took the leadership of that. She used to have two retreats and then she had to put on a third one. The cut off for the women's group was about 55 for each weekend. It was very, very popular. There would be mothers and daughters who would come together. The sisters would get the facility ready and prepare the meals and do all the cooking. We thought this was the weekend for the ladies to be the queens. It was wonderful. We always felt this was a time to refresh the body and the soul. And the women felt just as if they were queens. They came in, the meals were served, no dishes, no thinking about food preparation. They just got to spend time in this beautiful spot. It was nice. That was an important use of the facility.

We wanted to think of ways to expand the use of the camp, because back then we were second only to Citizens Utility in Grand Isle in the amount of property taxes we paid. The camp was operating for eight weeks out of the year, but property taxes had to be paid for the full 52 weeks, so we were looking for ways that we could gradually expand the use to increase the revenue but also to expand the ministry.

Sr. Virginia: The expanded part was called Marycrest on the Lake. The summer campers called it Camp Marycrest.

Sr. Mary: Some winters the sisters stayed out there and prepared meals for the Meals-on-Wheels program.

When the town of Grand Isle had one of its last town meetings, one of the things on the docket for discussion and vote was an item about Marycrest Beach. Now this Marycrest Beach they were referring to had nothing to do with Camp Marycrest. The council just called it that. It had belonged to Dr. Smail and his family. The Smails had bought the whole Dodge Farm. And the town people had been using the beach on this property for a long time even though it was private land. I do believe the Smails were successful in donating the beach to the town. The town still refers to it as Marycrest Beach, though now I have seen signs up calling it Grand Isle Town Beach.

Sr. Virginia: Quite a few summers we taught swimming to the Grand Isle children. The counselors got paid from the town for that. It was added work for them. They had to fit it in around their schedules at the camp but it was good for the children of the town.

 

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